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		<title>By: Olivier Coudert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivier Coudert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, they closed the doors on July 16 --see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/07/15/rip-tier-logic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RIP Tier Logic&lt;/a&gt;. Too bad, I think they had a good technology and a compelling story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they closed the doors on July 16 &#8211;see <a href="http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/07/15/rip-tier-logic/" rel="nofollow">RIP Tier Logic</a>. Too bad, I think they had a good technology and a compelling story.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tierlogic folded today!!</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Gries</title>
		<link>http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/03/12/can-tabula-and-tier-logic-be-successful/comment-page-1/#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Gries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be compelling is a significant reduction in compile (synthesis + P&amp;R) time as a result of the architecture. I can imagine that the complexity of compile may be quite long for the Tabula approach, however, it might inherently be suited for multiple processors (8?). Turning an 8 hour compile into 1 hour would be a big deal for the debug loop. Also, perhaps incremental changes could be isolated to a single layer resulting in quick fixes. All speculation of course.

As was said above and is pretty much common knowledge, an approach that let&#039;s your customers integrate your tool into their current flow works better than one that makes them change altogether. RTL synthesis was revolutionary, but Synopsys started by re-optimizing netlists before RTL, which allowed them to get into the design flow. That gives Tier Logic an advantage.

The comment about IP and libraries is also very relevant. FPGAs are SoCs and they require the same types of IP. Who&#039;s going to develop them? Perhaps this would be a good opportunity for open source IP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be compelling is a significant reduction in compile (synthesis + P&amp;R) time as a result of the architecture. I can imagine that the complexity of compile may be quite long for the Tabula approach, however, it might inherently be suited for multiple processors (8?). Turning an 8 hour compile into 1 hour would be a big deal for the debug loop. Also, perhaps incremental changes could be isolated to a single layer resulting in quick fixes. All speculation of course.</p>
<p>As was said above and is pretty much common knowledge, an approach that let&#8217;s your customers integrate your tool into their current flow works better than one that makes them change altogether. RTL synthesis was revolutionary, but Synopsys started by re-optimizing netlists before RTL, which allowed them to get into the design flow. That gives Tier Logic an advantage.</p>
<p>The comment about IP and libraries is also very relevant. FPGAs are SoCs and they require the same types of IP. Who&#8217;s going to develop them? Perhaps this would be a good opportunity for open source IP.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coppola</title>
		<link>http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/03/12/can-tabula-and-tier-logic-be-successful/comment-page-1/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coppola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the pertinent analysis!
My cut this time around is that success will still be defined by giving a 5-10x &quot;improvement factor&quot; across hardware, software, IP&amp;Libraries, support, and pricing&amp;delivery.

As a company, you don&#039;t have to be better in all these areas, just enough to get your factor up to at least 5x.(Say Tabula has 2.5x in hardware...that is great...now all they need is get together another 2x to be compelling...assuming the other factors are competetive.

For example, do the new companies have a strategy for IP&amp;Libraries? If you look at X&amp;A these days, that is becoming a distinguishing factor...as much as the hardware or synthesis&amp;P&amp;R software.
The need is for an infrastructure of IP&amp;Libraries that are inexpensive and easy to use...shall I say it?...like software!
alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pertinent analysis!<br />
My cut this time around is that success will still be defined by giving a 5-10x &#8220;improvement factor&#8221; across hardware, software, IP&amp;Libraries, support, and pricing&amp;delivery.</p>
<p>As a company, you don&#8217;t have to be better in all these areas, just enough to get your factor up to at least 5x.(Say Tabula has 2.5x in hardware&#8230;that is great&#8230;now all they need is get together another 2x to be compelling&#8230;assuming the other factors are competetive.</p>
<p>For example, do the new companies have a strategy for IP&amp;Libraries? If you look at X&amp;A these days, that is becoming a distinguishing factor&#8230;as much as the hardware or synthesis&amp;P&amp;R software.<br />
The need is for an infrastructure of IP&amp;Libraries that are inexpensive and easy to use&#8230;shall I say it?&#8230;like software!<br />
alan</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hollingworth</title>
		<link>http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/03/12/can-tabula-and-tier-logic-be-successful/comment-page-1/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hollingworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivier,

the company was registered in 2003 but it didn&#039;t raise any seed funding until Oct 2005 and VC funding until July 2007, so in real terms, we&#039;ve been going a lot less long than that. You&#039;re correct that our architecture doesn&#039;t require anything radical in terms of tools. That helps a lot when it comes to bringing tools to market of course.
Cheers,
Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivier,</p>
<p>the company was registered in 2003 but it didn&#8217;t raise any seed funding until Oct 2005 and VC funding until July 2007, so in real terms, we&#8217;ve been going a lot less long than that. You&#8217;re correct that our architecture doesn&#8217;t require anything radical in terms of tools. That helps a lot when it comes to bringing tools to market of course.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivier Coudert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olivier Coudert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul (note: Paul is the VP Sales &amp; Marketing of Tier Logic),

Thanks for the info. I must say, that&#039;s a very low figure for a FPGA company that has been in existence for 7 years. 
As for the software, it is indeed a key component often overlooked by FPGA startups. In the case of Tier Logic, the flow is quite simple --Mentor&#039;s Precision + Tier Logic&#039;s mapping and P&amp;R. As I replied to Brian, I don&#039;t think that your architecture created any issue --no exotic technique required. 
Best of luck for the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul (note: Paul is the VP Sales &amp; Marketing of Tier Logic),</p>
<p>Thanks for the info. I must say, that&#8217;s a very low figure for a FPGA company that has been in existence for 7 years.<br />
As for the software, it is indeed a key component often overlooked by FPGA startups. In the case of Tier Logic, the flow is quite simple &#8211;Mentor&#8217;s Precision + Tier Logic&#8217;s mapping and P&amp;R. As I replied to Brian, I don&#8217;t think that your architecture created any issue &#8211;no exotic technique required.<br />
Best of luck for the future!</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by ocoudert: New blog @ocoudert &quot;Can Tabula and Tier Logic be successful?&quot; http://ow.ly/1qeCA2 #FPGA (RT please)...</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Hollingworth</title>
		<link>http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/03/12/can-tabula-and-tier-logic-be-successful/comment-page-1/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hollingworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Olivier,
thanks for the insightful blogs - very interesting. I thought you&#039;d like to know, in answer to your question towards the end, that we&#039;ve spent just under $20M so far and are ready to take designs today. You&#039;re quite right about FPGA Startups and tools - there have definitely been more that failed because of tools than silicon. We have tools in production release today, and although we wouldn&#039;t claim that they have all the bells and whistles of Xilinx or Altera, the algorithms are sound and the QoR is very good. If potential customers want to register on our site, they can download the tools and try them out.
Cheers,
Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Olivier,<br />
thanks for the insightful blogs &#8211; very interesting. I thought you&#8217;d like to know, in answer to your question towards the end, that we&#8217;ve spent just under $20M so far and are ready to take designs today. You&#8217;re quite right about FPGA Startups and tools &#8211; there have definitely been more that failed because of tools than silicon. We have tools in production release today, and although we wouldn&#8217;t claim that they have all the bells and whistles of Xilinx or Altera, the algorithms are sound and the QoR is very good. If potential customers want to register on our site, they can download the tools and try them out.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Olivier Coudert</title>
		<link>http://www.ocoudert.com/blog/2010/03/12/can-tabula-and-tier-logic-be-successful/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivier Coudert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian, 

I don&#039;t know about their back-end tools. But Tier Logic&#039;s architecture shouldn&#039;t be a problem for P&amp;R. 

Tabula, that&#039;s another story. Assuming the synthesis forces the folds (i.e., P&amp;R is not allowed to modify the folds), then it&#039;s doable. But synthesis is extremely challenging. Yes, taking advantage of the architecture and &quot;routing&quot; a critical net through several folds at the same (x,y) coordinate will certainly result in a very high-performance implementation. I have seen a number of exotic synthesis systems, and one that can fully exploit time multiplex with placement is out of the ordinary. Tabula&#039;s architecture is nothing short but groundbreaking, yet I am waiting to hear about the software tool suite. Lots of FPGA startups failed because their software were not good or mature enough.

Yes, change is hard, and that is another reason why Tier Logic is better positioned. There is nothing unorthodox in their flow. And that timing-invariant FPGA to ASIC migration will be key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about their back-end tools. But Tier Logic&#8217;s architecture shouldn&#8217;t be a problem for P&amp;R. </p>
<p>Tabula, that&#8217;s another story. Assuming the synthesis forces the folds (i.e., P&amp;R is not allowed to modify the folds), then it&#8217;s doable. But synthesis is extremely challenging. Yes, taking advantage of the architecture and &#8220;routing&#8221; a critical net through several folds at the same (x,y) coordinate will certainly result in a very high-performance implementation. I have seen a number of exotic synthesis systems, and one that can fully exploit time multiplex with placement is out of the ordinary. Tabula&#8217;s architecture is nothing short but groundbreaking, yet I am waiting to hear about the software tool suite. Lots of FPGA startups failed because their software were not good or mature enough.</p>
<p>Yes, change is hard, and that is another reason why Tier Logic is better positioned. There is nothing unorthodox in their flow. And that timing-invariant FPGA to ASIC migration will be key.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Fuller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olivier, great post and analysis. What&#039;s your take on their back-end tools? Issue? Non-issue? 
You raise good points in this and your related posts on FPGA startups. I worked with Achronix for a while and was impressed with their high-performance differentiation but is it enough? 
Part of me thinks change is hard in general. The other part of me thinks that FPGAs simply because of their inherent flexibility are poised to become the dominant design choice in the future. 
There has to be some reason VC money is nurturing all these interesting new ideas and perhaps that has something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olivier, great post and analysis. What&#8217;s your take on their back-end tools? Issue? Non-issue?<br />
You raise good points in this and your related posts on FPGA startups. I worked with Achronix for a while and was impressed with their high-performance differentiation but is it enough?<br />
Part of me thinks change is hard in general. The other part of me thinks that FPGAs simply because of their inherent flexibility are poised to become the dominant design choice in the future.<br />
There has to be some reason VC money is nurturing all these interesting new ideas and perhaps that has something to do with it.</p>
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